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                                Marijuana Tax Act of 1937

 

TAXATION OF MARIHUANA

 

Hearings Before the

Committee on Ways and Means

House of Representatives

Seventy-fifth Congress

First Session on

 

H.R. 6385

April 27-30, and May 4, 1937

 

SECTION 1     SECTION 2     SECTION 3     SECTION 4     SECTION 5

 

 Answers to Marihuana Questionnaire by Dr. W. L. Treadway Division of Mental Hygiene Public Health Service

 Additional Statement of Clinton M. Hester

 Statement of Dr. James C. Munch, Pharmacologist, Temple University

 Statement of Herbert J. Wollner, Consulting Chemist, Office of the Secretary of the Treasury

 

 

 Answers to Marihuana Questionnaire

by

Dr. W. L. Treadway

 

Division of Mental Hygeine

Public Health Service

 

1. Cannabin. Contained in the resin produced by the female pistillate plant of Indian hemp.

 

2. Cannabin is considered as the active principle. Any active principle, may be curtailed by other substances which, in themselves, are inert, or it may be enhanced, but I do not know of any substance in hemp which activates Cannabinis regarded as the active principle or substance. You may have a drug which has a specific physiological action but that drug may be enhanced by the addition of some other substance which, in itself, is probably inert. For example, take calomel combined with soda -- you would enhance the action of the calomel by the presence of that alkali.

 

3. It occurs largely in the resin that is found in the flowers of the tops of the pistillate plant. It also occurs in small quantities in the smaller leaves of the tops of the plant and, possibly, to a slight extent, in the fresh or young stalk of the plant.

 

4. In the seed.

 

5. I do not know. That would depend upon further experimentation. I do not think it woud be practical, from a commercial standpoint, to attempt to get any considerable yield from any part of the plant other than the resin. It would involve great technical knowledge to make it commercially possible in terms of contraband trade. The small quantitiess in the leaves and stalks would hardly be sufficient to warrant anyone going to the trouble to get a satisfacgtory yield from it. In other words, it may be technically possible but it would be impractical.

 

6. That is a moot point. I think it is most generally accepted, however, that the resin from the female plant conains the largest amount of Cannabin..

 

7. Yes. Top leavews and resin dried and kept for from a year to eighteen months becomes practically inert. It loses the strength rapidly. This is also true of the fluid extract of Cannabis. It tends to become inert, or lose its physiological strength.

 

8. Yes, if kept in dry storage for a long time it deteriorates.

 

9. Hemp fiber has almost been replaced by cotton because it can be produced cheaper (clothing, etc.) It is also cultured for rope but has been replaced by Sesseli, of the Cactus family, and Abacca fiber, grown in the Philippine Islands, both of which are more desirable for rope and cheaper. Sesseli is the more desirable of these two.

 

10. It is difficult to say whether the seed in its early development or in its embryonic form, may be contaminated by the presence of this resin. The resin acts as a medium for the collection of pollen. The seed does not contain the active principle of Cannabin.

Theoretically, and from the standpoint of tradition, hemp seed is included in bird seed -- probably because of the idea that it did contain this resin and make the birds peppy.

 

11. I suppose you could pinch off the tops of the plants but it would have to be done two or three times for, after each pruning, theyy would produce another series of buds. Like chrysanthemums, after each pruning, they would probably make an extra effort to produce more fruit and, while this pruning would probably temporarily stop the production of ths deleterious substance it would eventually enhance and increase it.

 

12. I do not know.

 

13. It has been employed since about 500 B.C. for its sedative action. The principle pharmaceutiical product is the fluid extract but it is very rarely used now in medicine because there are so many more desirable hypnotics. It is used, however, as an

analgesic in corm plaster. From the standpoint of the Pharmacopoeia, it has been in each revision, but in talking with some of the men interested in the new revision they question whether it is desirable to continue including it.

 

14. Cannabis Indica does not produce a dependence such as in opium addiction. In opiium addiction there is a complete dependence and when it is withdrawn there is actual physical pain which is not the case witth Cannabis. Alcohol more nearly produces the same effect as Cannabis in that there is an excitement or ageneral feelingg of lifting of personality, followed by a delirious stage, and a subsequent narcosis. There is no dependence or increased tolerance such as in opium addiction. As to the social or moral degradation associated with Cannabis it probably belongs in the same category as alcohol. As with alcohol, it may be taken a relatively long time without social or emotional breakdown. Marihuana is habit-forming, altthough not addicting, in the same sense as alcohol might be with some people, or sugar, or coffee. Marihuana produces a delerium with a frenzy which might result in violence; but this is also true of alcohol.

 

Additional Statement of Clinton M. Hester

 

Taxation of Marihuana

Wednesday, April 28, 1937

 

House of Representatives

Comittee on Ways and Means

Washington, DC

 

Additional Statement of Clinton M. Hester, Assistant General Counsel, Office of General Counsel for the Department of the Treasury.

 

MR. HESTER: Mr. Chairman, I prepared last evening a brief summary of the effect of the marihuana bill upon legitimate industry which I thought would be of interest to the committee.

 

MR. CULLEN: If there is no objection, the statement referred to will be inserted in the record.

 

MR. HESTER: The statement I have referred to is as follows

 

All legitimate users of marihuana are exempted from the provisions of this bill which imposes taxes upon transfers of marihuana and require such transfers to be made on order forms obtained from the collector of internal revenue, except purchasers of marihuana seeds for use in the making of bird seed, or marihuana seeds as bird see, and purchasers of the flowering tops and leaves of marihuana for use in the making of the refined drug product.

 

These legitimate users of marihuana who are exempted from these transfer taces and order form requirements, are purchasers of the mature stalk of marihuana for use in the making of fiber products such as twine, purchasers of marihuana seed for the further

planting of marihuana and the manufacture of oil, and purchasers of such oil for use in the manufacture of paints and varnishes.

 

Although all of the above manufacturers or dealers who use marihuana are exempted from the transfer tax and order form provisions of the bill (with exceptions noted), they are, nevertheless, required to pay occupational taxes and register with the collector of internal revenue, with two exception: Dealers in paint and varnish which contains marihuana; and manufacturers of and dealers in fiber products manufactured from the mature stock of marihuana. Likewise, all producers of marihuana, whether they grow marihuana for hemp fiber, for seeds, or for the drug, must register as producers and pay the occupational tax.

 

I. Hemp. Since the definition of marihuana in the bill excludes the mature stalk of the plant and any product or manufacture of such stalk such as twine, all hemp, fiber, or cordage manufacturers and dealers would not be subject to any provision of the bill.

It is possible too safely exclude all such persons from the purview of the bill because the mature stalk does not contain any of the harmful drug ingredient. However, any person who grows marihuana, even if for the sole purpose of sale to a hemp manufacturer, would have to pay an occupations tax as a producer. the reason for this is that such production cannot be limited to the mature stalks of such plant since the stalk cannot be grown without also producing the flowering tops and leaves. Unless the legitimate producer transfers the tops and leaves to a drug manufacturer, his product will not be subject to a transfer tax for the flowering tops and leaves are removed from the mature stalk and left on the field.

 

II. Marihuana seed for planting purposes. - All persons who produce marihuana for seeds must pay the occupational tax as producers, but all transfers of marihuana seeds to persons registered as producers for use by such persons for the further production of marihuana are exempted from the transfer tax and order form provisions of the bill.

 

III. Marihuana as used in the pain and varnish industry.

 

It appears that there is some use of marihuana seeds for the production of oil which is sold to paint and varnish manufacturers, to be used as a constituent of their products. The bill requires manufacturers and importers of oil, paint, and varnish dealers in oil, to pay occupational taxes but exempts from occupational taxes dealers in paints or varnishes.

 

The reason why manufacturers and importers must pay the occupational tax and register is that they will have raw marihuana in their possession and the reason why their products are exempt is because the drug cannot be extracted from the products. However, paint and varnish and the oil to be used in paint and varnish would be exempted from the transfer tax. Thus, a transfer of seed from a marihuana producer to a registered oil manufacturer would be exempted as would a transfer of the manufactured oil to a registered paint manufacturer and a transfer off the completed paint or varnish to a dealer or by a dealer to the consumer.

 

IV. Marijuana for medicinal use. All persons who produce, manufacture, import, or deal in marihuana, or its byproducts for medical use, as well as practitioners, would be compelled by the bill to pay occupational taxes. All transfers to manufacturing chemists, druggists, and practitioners, would be subject to the transfer tax and order form requirement but, such persons all being entitled to registry, the transfer tax would amount to only one dollar per ounce. The final dispensation by a practitioner to a patient in the course of his professional practice or by druggists to the patients of such practitioners in pursuance of a written prescription would, however, be exempted from the transfer tax and order form provisions. Incidentally, it appears that the marihuana drug is not indispensable to the medical profession.

 

V. Bird seed. Since marihuana bird seed contains the drug and is capable of being used by human beings for smoking purposes, and since, if negligently disposed of, it propagates new marihuana very rapidly, all occupational and transfer taxes imposed by

the bill are applicable with respect to bird seed containing marihuana. Since the ultimate purchaser of the bird seed could not register under the bill, a transfer to him would be subject to the prohibitive $100 tax. thus the effect of the bill is to prevent the use of marihuana seed in bird seed.

 

MR. CULLEN: Who is your next witness, Mr. Hester?

 

MR. HESTER: Mr. Chairman, I would like the committee now to hear Dr. Munch, a pharmacologist, from Temple University, Philadelphia.

 

MR. CULLEN: Will you give the reporter your full name and the position you occupy?

 

STATEMENT OF DR. JAMES C. MUNCH,

PHARMACOLOGIST, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY,

PHILADELPHA, PA.

 

DR. MUNCH: Mr. Chairman, my name is Dr. James C. Munch; I am a pharmacologist at Temple University, Philadelphia.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Will you tell us about your education and professional background?

 

DR. MUNCH: I am a doctor of philosophy. I have majored in toxicology (the action of poisons) and in pharmacology (the action of drugs on animals and on man.)

 

I was for ten years connected with the Food and Drug Administration, during part of which time I was in charge of the pharmacology laboratory there. I am still a consulting pharmacologist for the Bureau of Biological Survey of the United States Department of Agriculture. I am also professor of physiology and pharmacology in the School of Pharmacology, Temple University, Philadelphia. I was the director of pharmacological research for Sharp and Dohme; at present I am in charge of tests and standards, John Wyeth & Bros., Philadelphia Pa.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: You are a graduate of what college?

 

DR. MUNCH: Of George Washington University.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: When?

 

DR. MUNCH: In 1924.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Are you connected with the Government in any way?

 

DR. MUNCH: I am consulting pharmacologist for the Bureau of Biological Survey in the Department of Agriculture. I have also been interested in the work of the Narcotics Bureau, particularly in the detection of the doping of racehorses, and in subjects of

that type.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: That is a rather interesting study by itself.

 

DR. MUNCH: I find it so.

 

MR. CULLEN: You may proceed with your statement.

 

Dr. MUNCH: In connection with my studies of Cannabis, or marihuana, I have followed its effects on animals and also, so far as possible, its effects upon humans. I find that the doses which are capable of producing effects may be very nearly poisonous

doses; that is to say, small doses have little effect.

 

The effect is directed first at the hind brain, or the cerebellum, leading to a disturbance of the equilibrium, so that a man will go temporarily into a state resembling alcoholism. Larger doses tend to depress the heart.

 

Continuous use will tend to cause the degeneration of one part of the brain, that part that is useful for higher or physic reasoning, of the memory. Functions of that type are localized in the cerebral cortex of the brain. Those are the disturbing and harmful

effects that follow continued exposure to marihuana.

 

I have found the active material lodged in male plants as well as female plants.

 

There are no chemical methods of standardization of this variable drug.

 

In 1910, 1920, and 1930 the United States Pharmacopoeia revision committee, the committee that is charges with drafting standards for drugs, considered those methods of standardization in great detail.

 

In 1910, the method of standardization by producing an effect upon dogs was introduced as the official method of standardization in an attempt to get a more uniform drug to use in medicine.

 

First, small doses of the matieral to be standardized are given the dogs and then larger doses until we find the dose that produce an effect. I have found in studying the action on dogs that only abut 1 dog in 300 is very sensitive to the text. The effects on dogs are extremely variable, although they vary little in their susceptibility. the same thing is true for other animals and for humans.

 

MR. REED: Will you explain to the committee whether this drug affects the nerves, or does it go directly into the blood stream?

 

DR. MUNCH: It does not matter whether it is absorbed by smoking or swallowing; it goes into the blood stream; it is carried to the brain by the blood and produces its effects in the brain.

 

Animals which show a particular susceptibility, that is, which show a response to a given dose, when they begin to show it will acquire a tolerance. We have to give larger doses as the animals are used over a period of 6 months or a year. This means that the animal is becoming habituated, and finally the animal must be discarded because it is no longer serviceable.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: We are more concerned with human beings than with animals. Of course, I realize that those experiments are necessary and valuable, because so far as the effect is concerned, they have a significance also. but we would like to have whatever evidence you have as to the conditions existing in the country, as to what the effect is upon human beings.

Not that we are not concerned about the animals, but the important matter before us concerns the use of this drug by human beings.

 

DR. MUNCH: I was making the point to show that in 1910 and in 1920 the Pharmacopoeia accepted cannabis as one drug for use in human medicine, and that that is the method of standardization, because there was no other method by which this could

be standardized.

 

When we considered the material for the Pharmacopoeia in 1930 we found that this method of standardization was not useful. We found that the International Committee on Standardization of Drugs of the League of Nations had not admitted cannabis because it is not used throughout the world.

 

Therefore, that method of standardization was discarded, and so at this time the product which may be used is used without being standardized. But the use of it is definitely decreasing, as is shown by production statistics and surveys of prescription ingredients.

 

MR. REED: You say the use is receding?

 

DR. MUNCH: It is disappearing; that is, its use in human medicine is decreasing.

 

MR. REED: You do not wish to infer that it is decreasing in use as a narcotic, do you?

 

DR. MUNCH: Not at all. I am discussing the medicinal use.

 

MR. VINSON: For what was it used?

 

DR. MUNCH: I can only give you the literature. No physician with whom I am immediately acquainted uses it at this time.

 

In the early days it was used in cases of sleeplessness and to make your last moments on earth less painful when you were dying from tetanus or rabies. There may be other uses, but I have not found them.

 

MR. VINSON: Is it ever used now for those purposes? I take it there are several substitutes.

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes; there are. So far as human beings are concerned, we have different types of treatment, such as the Pasteur treatment.

 

MR. VINSON: But you had the Pasteur treatment when you had marihuana, did you not?

 

DR. MUNCH: Not in human medicine.

 

DR. MUNCH: No, sir.

 

MR. VINSON: How long have you had it?

 

DR. MUNCH: Cannabis or marihuana was introduced into human medicine by O’Shaughnessey in 1838.

 

MR. VINSON: When did Pasteur come on the scene?

 

DR. MUNCH: The Pasteur treatment was developed about 1875.

 

MR. VINSON: Then you had the Pasteur treatment between the period of 1875 until 1920?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. VINSON: Did they use marihuana in that period for rabies?

 

DR. MUNCH: Its use had been decreasing during that period.

 

MR. VINSON: As I understood you, the use of marihuana was to ease the last hours of a person in distress from excruciating pain.

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. VINSON: I feel certain there are many substitutes that could have been used before and can be used now for the purpose

for which marihuana, to some extent, was used.

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes; That is true. Most of the modern drugs for the annulment of pain have been developed since about 1880 or 1890.

 

MR. CULLEN: Is it used in dentistry?

 

DR. MUNCH: It is one component of a prescription which has been used from time to time in dentistry in assuaging pain, but there again we have better drugs. At the time -------

 

MR. CULLEN: (interposing) So it is not used very much today in dentistry?

 

DR. MUNCH: That is my understanding. With the development of drugs like novocaine, its use in dentistry has been decreasing.

 

Its other use is in corn salves and corn plasters. Everyone knows that they must be green and negative. Marihuana contains a green component called chlorophyll. We have made experiments on men as well as upon animals in which we have applied the material directly through the skin, either normal skin containing a corn, and we find that it has no value in preventing pain.

Cannabis or marihuana it self will not decrease the pain of a corn. Salicylic acid causes the destruction of the corn tissue.

 

Cannabis is used because it has a green color, but other green dyes will be just as effective as marihuana for this purpose.

 

On last Saturday a paper was presented before the Pharmacological Society in Memphis, Tenn. by Dr. Walton, who has been making a special study of cannabis at this time. He said the cannabis grown in the neighborhood of New Orleans for pharmaceutical purposes was similar in chemical ingredients to that which has been bought in India and elsewhere.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: I take it that the effect is different upon different persons.

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes. sir.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: There is no question but what this is a drug, is there?

 

DR. MUNCH: None at all.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Is it a harmful drug?

 

DR. MUNCH: Any drug that produces the degeneration of the brain is harmful. Yes; it is.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: I agree with you on that, but I want to ask you these questions and have your answers for the record, because they will assist us in passing upon this legislation.

 

DR. MUNCH: I have said it is a harmful drug.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: In some cases does it not bring about extreme inertia?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, it does.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: And in other cases it causes violent irritability?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: And those results lead to a disintegration of personality, do they not?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: That is really the net result of the use of that drug, no matter what other effects there may be; its continued use means the disintegration of the personality fo the person who uses it?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, that is true.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Can you give us any idea as to the period of continued use that occurs before this disintegration takes place?

 

DR. MUNCH: I can only speak from my knowledge of animals. In some animals we see the effect after about 3 months, while in others it requires more than a year, when they are given the same dose.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Are there not some animals on which it reacted, as I understand it, in a manner similar to its reaction on human beings? Is that right?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Have you experimented upon any animals whose reaction to this drug would be similar to that of human beings?

 

DR. MUNCH: The reason we use dogs is because the reaction for the dogs to this drug closely resembles the reaction of human beings.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: And the continued use of it, as you have observed the reaction on dogs, has results in the disintegration of personality?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, so far as I can tell, not being a dog psychologist, the effects will develop in from 3 months to a year.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: The recognition of the effects of the use of this drug is not only of comparatively recent origin is it not?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, comparatively recent.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: I suppose one reason was that it was not used very much.

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, that is right.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: I understand this drug came in from, or was originally grown in Mexico and Latin American countries.

 

DR. MUNCH: "Marihuana" is the name for Cannabis in the Mexican Pharmacopoeia. It was originally grown in Asia.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: That was way back in the oriental days. The word "assassin" is derived from an oriental word or name by which the drug was called; is that not true?

 

DR. MUNCH: Yes, sir.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: So it goes way back to those years when hashish was just a species of the same class which is identified by the English translation of an oriental word; that is, the word "assassin"; is that right?

 

DR. MUNCH: That is my understanding.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Is there any knowledge or information as to the growth of the use of marihuana cigarettes, or any other form of the drug by human being for drug purposes, in recent years?

 

DR. MUNCH: Mr. Young was formerly connected with the Bureau of Plant Industry for the Untied States Department of Agriculture. He left the Bureau several years ago and started a plantation in the neighborhood of Florence, S.C. for the growth of marihuana for medicinal purposes. It is my understanding that because of the lack of commercial demand he has discontinued that project after two years. I am not certain but I think he stopped that in 1928 or 1929 because of the lack of demand.

 

If I may amplify that a little bit, let me say this: In 1932 and 1933 an ingredient survey was made, a study of the components of 122,000 prescriptions. It was found that cannabis was prescribed only four or five times per 10,000.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Can you give us any information about the growth in recent years of the use of it as a drug in connection with the purposes that this bill was introduced to meet?

 

DR. MUNCH: You mean the illicit use rather than the medicinal use?

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Exactly.

 

DR. MUNCH: The knowledge that I have in that connection is based on contacts with police officers as they collected material, even in Philadelphia. They tell me that until ten years ago they had no knowledge of it, but that now it is growing wild in a number of different places.

 

I was in Colorado about three years ago, going there as a witness in a prosecution brought under the Colorado act in connection with the use of marihuana. The police officers there told me its use developed there only within the last three or four years, starting about 1932 or 1933.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: Has there been a rapid increase in the use of marihuana for illicit purposes - and I use the word illicit to describe the situation we have in mind?

 

DR. MUNCH: It is my understanding that there has been.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: There is no question about that, is there?

 

DR. MUNCH: No, sir, there is not.

 

MR. CULLEN: We thank you for the statement you have given to the committee. Who is your next witness, Mr. Hester?

 

MR. HESTER: I would like the committee now to hear Mr. Wollner, a consulting chemist in the office of the Secretary of the Treasury, who will speak on the chemical phase of this question.

 

MR. CULLEN: Will you give your full name and the position you occupy to the reporter?

 

 

STATEMENT OF HERBERT J. WOLLNER,

CONSULTING CHEMIST,

OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY

 

MR. WOLLNER: Mr. Chairman, my name is Herbert J. Wollner; I am consulting chemist in the office of the Secretary of the Treasury.

 

MR. CULLEN: You may proceed.

 

MR. WOLLNER: The active principle in marihuana appears to be associated with an element which is located or found in the flowering tops and on the under side of the leaves of the plant. Until relatively recently the lack of refined chemical tests has built up the traditional conception that it was only found in the co-called female plant. But that is untrue. We have discovered that it is present both in the male and female plant.

 

To illuminate the matter I have brought with me some slides, if you care to look at them through the lenses, which I will be glad to submit for your examination.

 

(The slides referred to were examined by the members of the committee.)

 

Those are the flowering tops, and the plant is covered with a tremendous number of very fine hairs. You will notice that at the base of these hairs are little pockets, like apertures, where little sacks of resin are located. The resin contains an ingredient which the chemical technologist reefers to as cannabinone or cannabinol, alternatively. It is the invariant experience that this material contains the active principle which does the job.

 

MR. VINSON: How do they get this into commercial use? I am talking about the flowering plant. Do they have to take it in its natural state?

 

MR. WOLLNER: There are a variety of ways. In the early days, when they used hashish, they would jounce the flowering tops up and down in bags and then the resin would collect on the surface of the cloth and was scraped off and mixed with sweets and eaten. At the present time in reefers and muggles there is no separation. They smoke the stuff in toto, the leaves, the flowering tops, and everything.

 

MR. VINSON: They use the whole thing?

 

MR. WOLLNER: Yes. In the laboratory we extract this resin and then identify it.

 

MR. MCCORMACK: After that it is dried quicker?

 

MR. WOLLNER: Yes, It goes through a process which is similar to the process through which tobacco goes. They are similar in that respect.

 

MR. REED: As to this ingredient at the root of this hair-like substance, is that in the nature of oil?

 

MR. WOLLNER: Yes and no. This active substance will be extractable from the resin. It is on the border line between resin and oil. If you raise the temperature slightly, it becomes fluid.

 

The identification problems have been worked out very clearly from the botanical and from the purely laboratory approach, and that is in such shape right now that the transmission of that information to police officers throughout the country would be

perfectly possible.

 

MR. CROWTHER: Is that the oil that the manufacturers used to produce in considerable quantities?

 

MR. WOLLNER: That is a different oil. That oil derives its source from the seed of the marihuana plant. The seed of the plant contains a drying oil which is in a general way similar to that of linseed. Those seeds contain a small amount of that resin, apparently on their outer surface according to quite a number of investigators depending upon the age of that seed.

 

The oil in the seed or the seed itself only contains the active principle, apparently, where derived from an immature plant. However, certain investigators have found active principles in smaller amounts even in mature seeds.

 

MR. VINSON: It has been testified that the common manner of use is through cigarettes. Is anyone manufacturing those cigarettes for sale, or do you just roll them?

 

MR. WOLLNER: As I understand it from our law-enforcement officers, both procedures are in common usage.

 

It is also sold in the form of loose tobacco, either mixed or straight.

 

MR. VINSON: Do you know of any concern that is manufacturing cigarettes with the marihuana content?

 

MR. WOLLNER: I would not know of such a concern in the course of my own experience.

 

MR. VINSON: The addicts can roll their own?

 

MR. BUCK: Does the oil from the seed contain any of this deleterious matter?

 

MR. WOLLNER: That would in a large measure depend upon the condition of the seed and the condition of manufacture, but I would say in any event the oil would not contain a large amount of this resin.

 

It may be that that quantity active principle which is in the oil was derived through contact with other parts of the plant.

 

MR. BUCK: Would it contain enough to have any harmful effect on anyone, if taken internally?

 

MR. WOLLNER: I would say no; it would not contain such an amount.

 

MR. FULLER: As I understand it, you say the oil does not contain much, if any, of the drug?

 

MR. WOLLNER: It does contain some of the drug, but not much. It would appear, offhand, to be rather difficult to separate, but processes might possibly be developed for that purpose.

 

MR. FULLER: It would not be useful for the purpose for which they are using marihuana.

 

MR. WOLLNER: No.

 

MR. FULLER: So, so far as the oil from the seed is concerned, it is harmless, as far as human use is concerned.

 

MR. WOLLNER: That is right.

 

MR. CULLEN: We thank you for your statement.

 

Mr. Hester, who is your next witness?

 

MR. HESTER: Mr. Chairman, we have one other witness, Dr. Dewey, who was formerly chief of the fiber investigation of the Bureau of Plant Industry in the Department of Agriculture. He is a botanist, and while he is now in retirement, officials of the Department of Agriculture have referred us to him as the foremost expert on the botanical aspect of this plant.

 

MR. CULLEN: Is he now connected with the Department of Agriculture?

 

MR. HESTER: No, he is not, he is now in retirement.

 

MR. CULLEN: We will be glad to hear Dr. Dewey. Will you give your full name to the reporter?

 

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